2. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Everything that takes place is his dreams. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. Pre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. and to become. This topic is locked from further discussion. . ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. 9. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. He is True Omnipotent inside. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. This means that TOAA is contained in it's creation and creation is contained in TOAA, but TOAA also transcends creation. Beyonder: Sonuva. 7 years ago. and it's the rules of the. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. No . Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. ago. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. 193 4. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. 9. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Forum Posts. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. Then House Of Ideas 12. Not comp marvel, Above all Others was confirmed to be TOAA (the one that Thanos defeated) 2. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. Not even beyonder is that powerful. Follow 77. a god in the naruto verse is a microbe against a beyonder whom gods (aka the abstracts) in marvel verse fear. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. 3 The Beyonder. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. We help you decide what wheel is right you. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. 6th. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Searching. Molceule Man is powerful, and I believe he once contained a multiverse in a box, but there is no chance he can beat. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. 1. No one is that powerful. This allows him to teleport billions of people, establish telepathic linkages between realities, and even employ it in battle. 0 coins. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. 0. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. 0. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. Even The. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. He has no limits Pre Retcon. Hajun, if not Beyonder. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. Beyonder. SCP 3812. At least, not anymore. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. ago. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. They were both supreme powers above the LT. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Ninja-Yatsu • 10 mo. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. 168. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. Thanos wins. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. Follow 1. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Job Burke 4. 4. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. . The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. #1. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. There would be no fight. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Follow 16580. Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. vs. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. M. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. 4 years ago. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. TOAA > PM Grant Morrison avatar from Animal Man #26 = TOAA Its not a rip-off if the later one is better written. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. The Classic Beyonder. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Far from Beyonder levels. #28 ovy7. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. I dunno. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. Comics . the spectre with the presence backing. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. Beyonder Doom 14. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. That's the reason because the Choushin suspected all the time that a being higher than them existed. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. 5 years ago. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Neither of. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Or Melkor rebelling against eru. CsmicRanker1314 1. #7. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. 3. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Wiki Points. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. . SCP 3812. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. Yeah All Mighty Wins. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. 10 years ago. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". He was initially depicted. 2. Beyonder would be stomped. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Follow 4160. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. Vs. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. " im sick of Beyonder. If this. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. [12] He is also. Neither of. 2. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Follow 1. 6. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. [deleted] • 8 yr. Kitsunw. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. It is embedded. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. 1. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. 3. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Beyonder stomps. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. Jan 1, 2019. 3. Prepare for. beyonder Yep, lol. 8 years ago. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Bait? 1 year ago. Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Follow 331. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. First debuting in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #1, this Beyonder gave. Pre-retcon Beyonder. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . I think the idea. Stalemate. 0. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. Forum Posts. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. and yes, its the. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. show 6 replies. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Victory by permanent death or erasure. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. m99. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. TOAA in fact survived. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. Round 1: In character Round 2: Blood lusted. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. So with all of that said, I say they tie after the others die. Reply. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. TOAA will absolutely win as he represent the writers/Stan Lee/Jack Kirby but its interesting to note how similar origin is Primal/Over monitor & Pre recton Beyonder is , Beyonder was million times. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. Yes. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. 0. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. Thought Robot without any effort. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. 93. Neutral these battles dont make sense. s. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. 10 years ago. So basically Superman is getting rolled over. 2. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. . SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Follow 1627. and it can be said so is spectre. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. 115 26. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. Reviews: 0. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. TOAA is omnipotent. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. Beyonder is marvel. Beyonder: Sonuva. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. At this point who’s the strongest character this doom could beat and who would be the. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. 0. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay.